We are thrilled to present our exclusive broadcast with David Thodey, who joins our podcast to discuss Innovating in Uncertainty. David is a Business Leader with a career active in business, healthcare, public policy, innovation, tertiary education, the environment, and corporate governance. He has over 30 years of experience, including previously being the CEO of Telstra and IBM Australia and New Zealand.

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David is currently Chair of Xero, Chair of Ramsay Health Care, and was appointed the 19th Chancellor of the University of Sydney in July 2024. He is also co-chair of the Great Barrier Reef Foundation and was recently announced as a member of the Reserve Bank of Australia Governance Board. For the public sector specifically, David's review of the APS in 2019, dubbed "The Thodey Review," is synonymous with the APS Reform, which builds on the recommendations from this review.

In our latest episode, we catch up with David to discuss the concept of "Innovating in Uncertainty." Together, we discuss the continued importance of driving innovation in a rapidly changing world that brings uncertainty with it and how great leaders are those who can adapt to the ambiguity that surrounds them.

David has the unique ability to provide pragmatic advice intertwined with examples throughout his career, spanning industries. Through his experience and knowledge of the APS, he also offers specific perspectives for the public sector, acknowledging the unique and strong position that APS leaders have in their ability to lead in ambiguity.

There's much to unpack from our conversation with David as he reflects on the APS Review. He also discusses how innovation takes discipline, rigour, and accountability comes with trust. Together, we talk about the role of technology in enabling an authorising environment for innovation and the importance of leaning into that going forward. David also shares his unique views on reframing failure into a learning opportunity and how critical it is for leaders to keep focussing on the agility and flexibility of their workforce to adapt and change now and in the future.

Listening to David inspires you to approach things new and differently, not just because you should, but because you feel compelled to do so to make a difference.

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**David Thodey AO**

Business Leader
Chair, Xero and Ramsay Healthcare
Chancellor, The University of Sydney
Co-chair, Great Barrier Reef Foundation
Member, The Reserve Bank of Australia Governance Board

David Thodey is a business leader with a career active in business, healthcare, public policy, innovation, tertiary education, the environment and corporate governance.

He is currently Chair of Xero, a global cloud-based accounting solution and Ramsay Health Care, a global hospital group.

He was appointed as the 19th Chancellor of the University of Sydney in July 2024.

Mr Thodey also co-chairs the Great Barrier Reef Foundation, an Australian non-profit established to help preserve the Great Barrier Reef and was recently announced as a member of the Reserve Bank of Australia Governance Board.

Previously, Mr Thodey was Chair of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), and Tyro, Australia’s largest independent payments company.

Active in public policy, he led an Independent Review of the Australian Public Service (APS). He also chaired an NSW Government appointed Panel to lead an independent review of Federal Financial Relations and led a user audit of the myGov government services digital portal.

In 2020, Mr Thodey was Deputy Chair of the Federal Government’s National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCC) Advisory Board, supporting the Government to navigate the challenges faced during the early stages of the pandemic.

Prior to his non-executive career, he had a successful career as CEO of Telstra, and before that, CEO of IBM Australia and New Zealand.

Mr Thodey was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Science and Technology from Deakin University and Honorary Doctor of Business from both University of Technology Sydney and the University of Sydney.

He was made an Officer (AO) in the General Division of the Order of Australia for ethical business leadership.

Tune in next week as we speak to a new trailblazer in another episode in our series on Thriving in Uncertainty.

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