Listen in as David Thodey, Business Leader, Chair of Xero, Chair of Ramsay Health Care, and Chancellor of the University of Sydney, reflects on the importance of driving innovation in a world that's changing rapidly and how great leaders are able to adapt to the ambiguity around them. David also reflects on his time working on the APS Review in 2018-2019 and how, when they looked at the characteristics of leadership between industry and the public sector, it was public sector leaders who had the attribute of leading in ambiguity. Listen to his episode here