Pia Andrews, public servant and global expert in open government and digital government transformation, spoke on purpose and leadership in series one of our podcast series on organisational health. In this clip, Pia shares her perspective on the need for leaders to shift to adaptive leadership, where leaders delegate down to their teams, trust them, buy into, understand, and value the internal expertise that their team brings to the room. She also speaks on how critical it is for leaders to have a clear purpose and a culture committed to trust and kindness. The full episode of this podcast is also available to listen to here.